Just the way I roll! Das Gehäuse besteht größtenteils aus Kunststoff, die Standbeine sind aus Metall. I don’ know why some in the Zwift community keep trying to push back on this concept. – Cassette compatibility of 8 through 12 speed cassettes (adapters required for XD/XDR/NX/Campy) For me I think the key for calibrate (through zwift) was to cycle faster than the speed Zwift suggested. Zusätzlich kannst du eine Verbindung zu deinem Fahrradcomputer, Laptop, Smartphone oder Tablet über ANT+ oder ANT+ FE-C herstellen. Is the Saris H3 really that much better than this model? So wie beim wahoo kickr v5, aber der liegt ja bei über 1k€. Though I know they likely won’t for reasons that you outlined. Ja, das ist er. Trainer firmware is 073. But I decided to hold whatever the trainer threw at me – after 5sec, 1135W was the maximum I could do before my legs died. Normally my winter rides are going to work in the wet and rain in the PNW, but with covid and WFH that may be a bit harder to motivate. Also, looking at cadence briefly – I do see a handful of calculation dropouts here. I bought the Direto XR over the Kickr Core as the core was not available and the Direto XR is the newer product. No problem, hope elite can help you sort it out. I recently got the Direto XR and was wondering if there is a way to pair my Garmin HRM-Tri to Zwift. At the lower recovery intervals they were slightly further apart, whereas at the upper work intervals the gap was closer (about 5w on 265w). Of course, if you go to 0%, then you potentially swing too far the other way. It’s going to measure how long it takes to coast to a stop. Beim elite gefällt mir gut das die standfüsse einfach einzuklappen sind und bei nicht Nutzung der Trainer platzsparend in eine Ecke verstaut werden kann. In any case, the trainer will communicate with any software, Zwift included The first is their Elite My E-Training app, which you can do calibrations from within: As with most trainers, they recommend you warm-up first: And then there’s the Elite Upgrado app – which actually launched in the fall of 2019 for updating Elite trainers (finally!). Hey Ivo. I suspect the change from Level to ERG mode is what’s causing the issue. So I had some time to recalibrate and I noticed the My E-Training app was different. I just have to find a gear that won’t click or grind. You’ll want to pair it up as a controllable trainer (which will also pair it as a power meter) – as seen above. Hi any, advise woukd be great. But again, only time will tell. And H3? At least on Zwift. I say ‘quite’ happy as it’s a lot better than the Elite Novo smart trainer I’ve just sold but very similar as well. One example is below. By going near 50 km/h, the spin down actually works…. Pls add a note to my attention. I wouldn’t mind slightly less noise and faster ERG but e.g. It’s a bug in the current speed indication. Das Preis-Leistungsverhältnis ist erstklassig. Aaaand… maybe I should have read more of the comments first. Now It can be used only in “sim mode” due a hidden damage caused by the courier. It doesn’t matter what app is controlling the trainer, it needs to be in ERG mode. Hi Alan, And about starting the workout, I start pedaling before I start the workout. Pre-COVId I would bikr around 300 to 350 k per week and I can avg a bit over 30 kph over 2 hours in flattish conditions, relatively few stops and light wind. Anyway, after calibrating with the app again, it works better. Seems a bit hit or miss between brands. link to zwiftinsider.com. If you click on the word Amazon in the next column it goes to the correct product page. Jonas 14. Le Home-Trainer Elite Direto est livré dans un carton avec de nombreuses mousses en polyester afin que celui-ci ne soit pas endommagé lors des différents acheminements. – Max 24% incline Contrary to popular belief, we are not perfectly stable or vertical when riding a bike outside. Ich bin offen, ehrlich und dire(c)to: Dieser Trainer ist super und leistet genau, was ich von Ihm erwarte! So here is the most up to date list of products I like and fit the bill for me and my training needs best! Your reviews and comments about products most valuable!!! As usual, it comes with a front wheel block. If you want to calibrate it, we suggest that you do it through My E-Training. I suppose the Wahoo due to the price, but why? That said, there are now direct-drive models on the market that are smaller and easier to carry around compared to where we were 3 years ago. Elite Direto X. Now we are almost sure it’s ready by that date. Not per the spec, though, they might have enough overlap within their existing extra pedaling metrics to make it work. Gut (1,7) 79 Meinungen . In dieser Zeit kannst du dir einen Überblick verschaffen, mit der Community interagieren und Zwift testen. Foto zeigt den Elite Direto XR mit eingeklappten Standbeinen und vorinstallierter 11-fach Kassette von Shimano.Standbeine ausklappen und es kann losgehen. Wir haben während des Tests keine Trittfrequenz- oder Leistungseinbrüche erlebt, und Elite lieferte täglich konsistente Daten, sogar bevor wir routinemäßige Spindown-Kalibrierungstests gemacht haben. I used a fit-file for the test and did it via custom workout in Zwift. Ist er schwächer als andere oder bekomme ich die gleiche oder sogar mehr Leistung für weniger Geld? Looks like a new bug from a change made last week (it shouldn’t show a hyperlink unless there’s an actual review for said accessory). Thanks for the response but I’m not talking about ERG mode; I was just trying to adjust the derailleur. For most of the users, Direto works fine with ERG mode, but we’d like to go deeper on that. I’ll try power smoothing at 10 this evening. Beim Kauf des Direto XR bekommst du 12 Monate lang freien Zugang zur App My E-Training und es gibt Zwift für einen Monat kostenlos. Though, if you want to use an app to do it, Amazon would work. Elite says that the increase of flywheel weight from 4.2kg to 5.1kg was specifically done to increase the road feel realism. I am thorn between this one and the Core, I was considering the Core too but I think the Direto XR is more future proof and I have better Elite support in my area. The trainer hardware is more than capable of doing it better, when doing the crit zone in Zwift, on the rollers, the trainer instantly changes the resistance to match the terrain. Das Foto zeigt einen mann der auf seinem Mountainbike über Zwift ein Intervalltraining absolviert. I'm one of the ones that do. The next bit is stability. But, if you’re overriding that with a Level command, then basically the trainer has to wait for the next command from the ERG app, which occur when resistance levels change beyond the previously established baseline. My guess here is that due to the temp shift of the room (up about ~8°F/4°C from the previous day), may have contributed to this. I watched the videos for each, and the fast speeds & sprinting actually sounded louder on the Direto XR video, which is contrary to your comments above. Here’s the high level overview: Here’s a closer look at a few different surges as well. I believe this is my last suggestion. This time the unit was able to do the levels below 50w. Je l’annonçais la semaine dernière suite à une fuite, Elite était sur le point de livrer une nouvelle version de son home-trainer best-seller : le Direto X. L’annonce est officielle depuis ce matin : le Direto X est remplacé par le Direto XR.. Ce nouveau modèle affiche des caractéristiques de modèles hauts de gamme comme le Tacx Neo et le Wahoo Kickr. Also I use a 11-34 cassette on the bike. Der Elite Direto XR ist mit allen gängigen Indoor-Cycling-Apps wie Zwift, The Sufferfest, RGT Cycling, Rouvy und TrainerRoad kompatibel. Direto X Moment of Inertia = 15800 kgxmm2 I would like to support DCR and enjoy ad-free DC Rainmaker ($20 per year). Between this and CORE, which one would you choose? Er ist in der Lage, Steigungen von bis zu 24% zu simulieren, wobei eine Leistung von 2300 Watt bei einer Geschwindigkeit von 40 km/h entwickelt wird, 10% mehr als der Direto konnte und 6% mehr als der Direto X. Beine zur Lagerung einklappbar, platzsparend verstaubar. No regrets. It is clear though that there’s improvements around the firmware, beyond just hardware. Brilliant, thanks for the prompt response. In that case, the company claims up to 2,300w of resistance at 40KPH. For example, here it is doing the spin-down within TrainerRoad on an iPad: It’s super easy to do, you just pedal a bit fast for a moment until it reaches a given threshold speed, and then you stop pedaling. A few weeks ago I received a BNIB Direto XR in replacement of my Direto X that was irreparable. Aww… bummer. Testing it only takes seconds to apply with wood, books, wheel riser, etc. Thanks. And of course – you can always sign-up to be a DCR Supporter! It doesn’t mean that your data will be ‘made up’ because the Suito can still calculate power with a 2,5% accuracy (which is definitely good). Basically most apps will baseline when the app first connects to the trainer, which pretty much resets the resistance to the trainer. There’s also the axle adapters for thru-axle and standard quick release, plus two spacers in the event you need to swap out the cassette. According to Elite “the biggest difference is represented by the presence of the integrated OTS power meter inside the Direto XR.” does this mean that with Suito there is no power meter readings in e.g. Thanks. ELITE: we are going to start to do tests soon to verify. Imagine a road going up, steeper and steeper. Wahoo Kickr Core or XR? A. Road-feel: the heavier flywheels that direct-drive trainers have offer more inertia effect replicating better outdoor riding. Elite trainer Direto XR Interaktiv. Keep in mind that TrainerRoad anticipates this delay and starts ramping up(down) the power before the interval starts. It doesn't have smartphone/ANT+/Bluetooth integration, but it does have secondary outlets. Just to be clear — If you click on the description link it cycles back to the article. If only is was that simple. Please feel free to give me feedback if you have any doubts. BTW: Similar issues I also experience during cadence drills with sharp increases/decreases of cadence. And if I want power meter with Suito I need to get separate power meter (cranks/pedals etc)? Wir finden es etwas verwirrend, dass bei dem billigeren Elite Suito Smart Trainer mehr Metall im Gehäuse verbaut wurde als in dem teuren Direto XR. You’ll see either a calibration prompt in the app (like TrainerRoad), or a small wrench or such in the settings (like Zwift). Der neue Elite Direto X im Test Der neue JetBlack Whisperdrive im Test Smarttrainer Kinetic R1 im Test Indoortraining auf dem Band: Oreka im Test Smarte Indoortrainer im Test: Tacx Neo Smart Smarte Indoortrainer im Test: Tacx Flux Smarte Indoortrainer im Test: Tacx Neo Smart 2 … Elite: Erschienen: November 2019; Details zum Test; ohne Endnote. I have spoken both with Elite and TrainerRoad, there should be some escape route, if the cadence drops below 40rpm the resistance must go to 0 for a couple of seconds until you spin back up. What about when used with other brand trainers? And I spend most of my time in TrainerRoad while watching either BikeTheWorld YouTube videos or Zwift. And hopefully, since the Direto XR is a tidier Direto X, that we won’t see any manufacturing issues. There is nothing natural about locking a bike vertically like done on most trainers. Das Foto zeigt einen Mann der im Wohnzimmer auf dem Elite Direto XR trainiert. Doch dazu später mehr. It’s all I hoped for in upgrading from a dumb trainer and highly recommend it. I haven’t fully figured out the pattern there, but it wasn’t something I even noticed while riding – only afterwards looking at the charts. Der Elite Rollentrainer kann zwar nicht ganz mit dem Wahoo Flagschiff KICKR und seinem 7,25 kg schweren Schwungrad mithalten, aber in der Praxis haben wir da nur einen kleinen Unterschied gemerkt. I tried both options with the spacers provided by Elite but it did not help. For the same money. So there’s still a difference but it has reduced considerably. I opened a ticket to have the ERG mode off and set the resistance to 0 when the cadence drops below 60 and/or the power drops below 50%. Power smoothing was on level six. Want to compare the features of each product, down to the nitty-gritty? I recently bought the Direto XR as my first smart trainer. I have a few issues I’m trying to resolve and haven’t had any luck yet…. Elite Direto X 3 Tests. When the trainer is unplugged, the brake is automatically set to a minimum percent gradient (say, between 0 and 1) for you to train without electricity, but you can actually choose any resistance you wish by unplugging the trainer while you’re still in the training session. And the height of the Suito is better with the front wheel directly on the ground – the provided front wheel stand tilts the bike up like it is on the hill – I think the Direto XR looked taller so it would be more compatible. Er ist günstiger als seine direkten Mitbewerber. But longer rides, especially ones at lower power levels can lead to saddle pains that are often addressed with rocker plates and the like. Versandkosten. Thanks for the great reviews – narrowed down my options to the Saris H3 and Elite Direto XR. Déjà équipé d’une cassette à 11 vitesses. Essentially it’s a speed thing. Shame on me for not figuring it out on my own. They’re updating their specs now to conform to how it’s usually spec’d. So very often the pleasure is pain. – Trainer is now fully assembled out of box (no attaching legs or cassette anymore) Of course, that added power comes at a slight increase in price – now $949, but it now includes the cassette pre-installed, saving you money there. The service from Rutland Cycles was excellent too. And as always, feel free to post comments or questions in the comments section below, I’ll be happy to try and answer them as quickly as possible. Yeah, I’d have to see some actual data, and more importantly, understand what they’re doing. The link to the trainer desk review looks bad. I have one which seems to work really well for me, has kept me sane through lockdown and done 4000k on Zwift in that time, but too much overlap with Suito? Elite Direto XR Cycletrainer Product-Code: 211745.2846004_PA Dein Preis: 799,00 € ... Tests zur Beurteilung deiner Fitness und Wiederholungen und Sprints bei Höchstgeschwindigkeit und Höchstleistung ausführen. Direktes Feedback der Widerstandseinheit. I’ve tried both Zwift and MyETraining, and still have not been able to calibrate either. Let’s get this puppy unboxed. I mean $50 US negligible. Cheaper is better apparently. I like my front wheel to stay put and not aimlessly wiggle around. I’d also recommend going to a mid to upper-end portion of the cassette as well (towards the wheel hub) in order to increase precision on the XR (more on this later). Try turn every bluetooth off (HR strap, watch, airpods etc), and pair the Elite Direto XR alone to your device. If there was only a £25 difference between the Saris and this, is the Saris a better unit to go for? Foto zeigt das geringe Packmaß des Elite Rollentrainer Direto XR im Vergleich. Being manufactured in Italy, product will arrive on European shelves first and overseas countries later. I take things to a whole new level of interactive depth! Since you used constant cadence and did not change gear, the speed should be the same. Have you tried on different devices? Here’s my results: link to dcrainmaker.com, Ray, thank you for your reply. Ok, that sucks! My brain can only turn off so much of that. And I guess, if you count adding your bike atop it – then you need to do that too. I found that I needed to extend them slightly, just so the trainer actually rests on them, versus the larger legs. Vergleichen Hinzugefügt. Still, much of the road-like feel is driven by the flywheel, and be it physical or virtual, flywheel sizes tend to be measured in weight. That said, 3 years ago the gap between the two was more or less double compared to where we are today. Any ideas why the displayed velocity is not increasing? It allows you to compare power meters/trainers, heart rate, cadence, speed/pace, GPS tracks and plenty more. I cover all the units to buy (and avoid) for the 2020-2021 indoor training season. Here’s my most recent gadget recommendations guide and trainers here – covering almost every category of sports gadgets out there. I see the wrench only on W10 desktop, not on the Android app. email support is: email@example.com. Click above for all the details. As noted, it has the cassette on it, and it also has all the legs pre-connected. Just to comment on a couple other areas – the Suito + chain noise is too loud to use in the same room as someone else trying to be on a Zoom call. Thanks. Between all these standards you can basically connect to anything and everything you’d ever want to. Rollentrainer. On peut monter d’autres dentures et d’autres types de cassette en changeant le corps. What is the card for? 1) what about the cadence sensor? Ebenso hat sich die maximale Leistung des Elite Direto XR auf 2.300 Watt erhöht. I set power smoothing to 6. Especially during workouts with frequently changing target power this is pretty annoying sometimes. At the end of the day, I’m an athlete just like you looking for the most detail possible on a new purchase – so my review is written from the standpoint of how I used the device. Das ist eine satte Steigerung von mehr als 20 Prozent. However, I typically don’t worry too much about the rear cassette. Die etwas geringere Verarbeitungsqualität erstreckt sich allerdings auch auf Kleinteile wie die Achsadapter. Between this and CORE, that’s tricky – but 200EUR cheaper and I’d probably go CORE. Alle Details im Test. I did not see your answer before. Just throw it at the ground and plug it in: Done. You know how it is: you go for an easy spin and end up like doing sprint intervals or attack every hill. Do you think that the nominal size is the default value that is reported on MyETraining app (the 2070 mm you can also see in your review) ? I see slow ERG response as the only downside of my trainer. What am I gaining by getting the Direto XR over Suito in terms of functionality (beyond dry stats which are available everywhere). Oh, and you can sign-up for the newsletter here! I was so glad I finaly would be able to train indoors. Die äußere Verarbeitungsqualität kann nicht ganz mit der anderer Modelle mithalten, aber das hat keinen Einfluss auf die langfristige Leistung des smarten Trainers. Looking forward to any development about en eventual firmware update for older Diretos! Never mind, I just found the relevant section in the article. I’d expect around 6-10w though on 250w. None of which are usually good. I know that we are human and it si impossible to keep the power really ‘flat’ but fluctuations of 30/40W in erg mode are not a normal behaviour in my opinion. As far as calibration goes, you can complete it easily from most apps – including TrainerRoad and Zwift. On the underside of the legs are two feet, in case your floor is wobbly. Elite has taken the Suito ‘pull it out of the box and done’ concept from last year, and applied it to the XR. And as for sound? In the case of Zwift, I used it in regular riding mode (non-workout mode, aka SIM mode) as well as ERG mode (workout mode). Jede Art von Training, die dir in den Sinn kommt, kann dank des Direto XR in die Tat umgesetzt werden. Both using BT. I sell the device. Also, we’ll recap some general spec stuff too: – Cassette now included (11-speed Shimano/SRAM compatible) So I’d give a slight edge to the XR, but only slight (I rode them back to back). I think upgrading a V1 to this might be a push unless you spend a lot of time in ERG mode. I used both Zwift and My E-training. So you have to balance that aspect in there. If that’s the case (but certainly not saying my choices aren’t good for women), and you just want to see a different gear junkies “picks”, check out The Girl’s 2018 Gear Guide too. Direto XR Moment of Inertia = 19930 kgxmm2 Yes with this adaptor (available seperately) link to elite-it.com Alternatively, for everything else on the planet, simply buy your goods from Amazon via the link below and I get a tiny bit back as an Amazon Associate. This was good. No, AW is correct. The Direto product series has always been the mid-range offering, but with the increases in power, inertia, and ERG mode control – it effectively becomes a freshman college student. Die praktische Plug & Play-Konfiguration sorgt für ein sofortiges Indoor-Fahrraderlebnis. I plan on setting up my trainer in the cellar which gets cold in winter so I’m guessing that’s a definite “no” to a Wahoo! I bought my Direto XR 15 min ago from Bike-Discount.de. 752,95 € inkl. and a single workout can often let a person know if it works for them or not. Many thx in advance Jan. I note the fact that in ERG mode it is advisable to shift to a small ring at front and towards the hub at the back. Here’s the levels being sent (the blue blocks)) by TrainerRoad (in this case via Bluetooth Smart on iPad) and how quickly the Direto XR responded to it: In general, when it comes to ERG mode ‘accuracy’, I’m actually looking at three specific things: A) Base power accuracy: Is the power measurement aspect correct? Det är en av de 10 mest populära produkterna i kategorin Cykeltrainers. the 2070mm is just the proposed dimension. Das neue Modell überzeugt mit seinen neuen Leistungskennzahlen. So I’m riding bigger hills than you (and most ppl, I guess) both in real life and in zwift . Meaning, I suspect this is an algorithm based error rather than interruption based dropout, because I was recording on multiple devices and the power never dropped out (part of the same channel), on any devices. But yeah, gotta add a picture of it for sure! and maybe even the original / first direto? I’d have no reservations in recommending the Direto XR at this point, it checks all the boxes and is ideal for someone who doesn’t want to deal with anything more than just pulling a trainer out of the box, sticking a bike on it, and starting riding. For the purposes of this particular table, I’ve compared it against the Tacx Flux 2, Wahoo KICKR CORE, and Saris H3. Swapping a cassette is extremely easy. Versand. I then change into level mode to be able to start moving the pedals and change back into ERG mode when I’m around the desired wattage.From there everything works as it should. Still, I didn’t think the road-feel aspect was as nailed on the Flux 2 as the XR. Hopefully you found this review useful. So my question is: would you recommend the new Direto XR (£824) (which is new and reliability is unknown) or the discounted Drivo II (£749.99) (which is now being discontinued and therefore I assume any problems would be difficult to address?). I think that the Core might be set in “Erg mode power smoothing”, which should be set by default. “…Axle Compatibility: Race 130x5mm…” shouldn’t you mean “Road 130x5mm”? Le vélo est très stable grâce au poids du home trainer, à la taille des trois pieds, et à la possibilité de régler la hauteur des pieds dans le cas où le plancher ne serait pas parfaitement plat. Der Elite Direto im Test. So nothing further to install or dork with. In some cases I might prefer 2-3 seconds, but I’m not going to quibble too much there. Hopefully, this will get sorted out. Positiv ist, dass der Elite Direto XR inklusive montierter Kassette mit 16,2 kg deutlich leichter ist, als z.B. A 10% grade feels like a 5% grade. The issue is with the “Power Responsiveness” and the initial “Power Stability” while responding to changes. Elite behauptet, dass der interne Leistungsmesser auf +/- 1,5 Prozent genau ist und dass er bis zu 220 Datenpunkte pro Pedaltritt messen kann. (The trainer was connected only to my ipad thrugh bluetooth, dont know if that matter but maybe.). Also related, there was a mistake in the original flywheel specs/sheets from Elite, which didn’t actually include the weight of the discs. Great work, as usual ! And each one has a different cleat type on them (SPD-MTB/Look-Keo/SPD-SL). Direto XR is overall really excellent unit, ride feel is great, it is super for racing even on hardest climbs in sim mode, nice design, etc. I’m headed to Paris – what do you recommend for training or sightseeing? Elite Direto XR Interaktiv Trainer. When you are in ERG mode they try to hold the specified power. I’d love to know where you can get them for that price. Read tons about it here. I spoke a lot with Elite support, they provided me some guidance and extra firmware settings to speed it up, down to 8 seconds. But one room away is acceptable. Because, longer is better – right? You can click here to Subscribe without commenting. From the picture there, I can’t get how long does it takes to ramp up the power and how big the overshoot is. Thank you. Zwift does artificial speed calculations. Just to add to Ray’s comment, you need to change the chain too. I ‘m running a white industries crank at 42×26 ( I would have gone with a 24 if it was not the limit of shimano 16 tooth gap) so should I run on the 26 or the 42 ? As always, thanks for helping out! The easiest ones on the small chain rain are okay-ish, some in the middle as well. The entire unit only weighs 16.2kg. So ERG mode is key. That wind resistance causes a rearward push against our torso in particular, and I suspect leads to a related weight distribution shift. Of course, it’s not the same feel as you’d see with a KICKR or Tacx NEO or Saris H3, but those are all more expensive trainers. I’m on the verge of selling the Direto for a H3 because ERG mode is so… marginal. Problem occurs with zwift workouts and drops and ups with wattage. Versandkosten: ab 3,95 € Details. Peter. Bought these ones last summer: link to awin1.com. Good luck anyway. In any case, with all the things on the table you’ve got a pile of freebie codes for various apps, including a free 30-day card for Zwift, as well as some paper manuals you’ll never read.